#311038 - 11/16/12 06:23 AM
Union mentality: It's our way or the highway......
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.....and here is the result. 18,500 jobs down the drain: Oh no, Mr. Bill.........
Edited by CaseyC (11/16/12 06:24 AM)
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#311040 - 11/16/12 06:37 AM
Re: Union mentality: It's our way or the highway......
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Even the Teamsters are telling these people to go back to work. That's not a good sign for the strikers.
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#311047 - 11/16/12 08:53 AM
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Good grief!
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Right - but this is total crap. Obviously, the company was "restructuring" and the idea of selling itself off was in the works. This is another union busting tactic intended to promote fear and loathing. Big business just wants the unions go away. Typical.
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#311048 - 11/16/12 09:00 AM
Re: Union mentality: It's our way or the highway......
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Right - but this is total crap. Obviously, the company was "restructuring" and the idea of selling itself off was in the works. This is another union busting tactic intended to promote fear and loathing. Big business just wants the unions go away. Typical.
They were objecting to a 2% cut in wages and benefits......looks like they bargained it out to 100%. Union busting my ass, the company reached an agreement with the Teamsters, but a small union would not agree. Even the Teamsters are pissed at the other union..........
Edited by CaseyC (11/16/12 09:03 AM)
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#311049 - 11/16/12 09:01 AM
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[quote= This is another union busting tactic intended to promote fear and loathing. Big business just wants the unions go away. Typical. [/quote] Looks like the union in this case cooperated 100%. 
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#311060 - 11/16/12 01:39 PM
Re: Union mentality: It's our way or the highway......
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Looks like this was actually a Union vs Union dispute. The Teamsters accepted the court directed concessions, but the BCGTM Union rejected them, forcing Hostess to close per court ordered restructuring directives. Also, it appears that the BCGTM Union members approximately 6,000 strong, ARE NOT eligible for unemployment benefits. They essentially "quit", taking the 12,500 other workers down with them. Maybe some kind venture capital firm will buy up the assets and HO HO HO all the way to the bank.
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#311086 - 11/16/12 08:28 PM
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Workers at Hostess plants across the country had gone on strike or refused to cross picket lines on November 9 to protest pay cuts that Hostess had in bankruptcy court won the right to impose. 1 Our odds of surviving a nuclear event have just gone down without the only known food source that could exist afterwards  With Twinkies gone the Antichrist has an easy path now.
Edited by Rich (11/16/12 08:32 PM) Edit Reason: oh hush you monosyllabic chanting Vikings
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#311087 - 11/16/12 08:30 PM
Re: Union mentality: It's our way or the highway......
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Time for Jojo to drink another glass of her special Kool-Aid.
Venture capitalists can bring the bakeries to a great right-to-work State like Tennessee and we here in the South will continue to prosper and live comfortably with our Twinkies and Wonder Bread.
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#311101 - 11/16/12 11:03 PM
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... and we Wonder why your Obesity Rate is higher than most other states?  Your cells just might out survive cockroaches with such a diet.
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#311108 - 11/17/12 05:13 AM
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Good grief!
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Read my post, Ed.  I said they had been talking about selling this off anyways. The article had the typical "spin" so prevalent these days. Maybe it's you that should remove your blinders.
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#311113 - 11/17/12 05:28 AM
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If you want twinkies bake them.... there are special baking pans for the shape and you can be creative with filling...
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#311117 - 11/17/12 06:21 AM
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Ya'all know this is a faked left wing conspiracy to discredit the Twinkie icon, ( Hallow be thy image, flocked to now in droves) , and it's evils, in an already poised snatching to stuff future union coffers.  Ya, just follow the money trail forth coming, (after the FTC dust has settled  ).
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#311118 - 11/17/12 06:27 AM
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Read my post, Ed.  I said they had been talking about selling this off anyways. The article had the typical "spin" so prevalent these days. Maybe it's you that should remove your blinders. Do you have some inside information? I couldn't find that information anywhere. Maybe this is a good time for Bain Capital to step in and rescue the company.............just a thought.
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#311121 - 11/17/12 07:36 AM
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If you want twinkies bake them.... there are special baking pans for the shape and you can be creative with filling... So now you add union busting to your long list of Jesuit war criminality ? 
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#311122 - 11/17/12 08:17 AM
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Good grief!
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But without giving details, he said that there has been interest in some of its 30 brands. Experts agreed that it was likely the biggest brands would survive. It was in the piece you posted, Klaus. 
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#311125 - 11/17/12 10:02 AM
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If you want twinkies bake them.... there are special baking pans for the shape and you can be creative with filling... So now you add union busting to your long list of Jesuit war criminality ? I am stating a fact. I am to bussy baking my own Pizza : II am boycotting Papa John's , Dominos and Pizza Hut to be worried about twinkies :P
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#311126 - 11/17/12 10:11 AM
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But without giving details, he said that there has been interest in some of its 30 brands. Experts agreed that it was likely the biggest brands would survive. It was in the piece you posted, Klaus. That was after the bankruptcy filing.....
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#311127 - 11/17/12 10:11 AM
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If you want twinkies bake them.... there are special baking pans for the shape and you can be creative with filling... So now you add union busting to your long list of Jesuit war criminality ? I am stating a fact. I am to bussy baking my own Pizza : II am boycotting Papa John's , Dominos and Pizza Hut to be worried about twinkies :P
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#311128 - 11/17/12 10:25 AM
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Oh for pete's sake.  The company was NOT doing well. At 50% production, it would have folded anyways - which is why it was going bankrupt. That's not so much the unions as it is poor management and/or decisions - and the fact that unless you have a death wish, most people don't eat that garbage anymore. Management can NEVER accept responsibility and ALWAYS blames its employees. Me, too, Jose. Not that I ate it anyways. 
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#311129 - 11/17/12 10:51 AM
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Oh for pete's sake.  The company was NOT doing well. At 50% production, it would have folded anyways - which is why it was going bankrupt. That's not so much the unions as it is poor management and/or decisions - and the fact that unless you have a death wish, most people don't eat that garbage anymore. Management can NEVER accept responsibility and ALWAYS blames its employees. Me, too, Jose. Not that I ate it anyways. You guys are really great. A company is ordered by the court to cut employee salaries and bennies by TWO PERCENT. A group of employees does not accept the reduction. So, according to the ruling of the bankruptcy judge, if the orders of the court are not accepted by all employees, then the court orders that the company be dissolved. So this is the fault of management. Fast forward to Papa John. Papa John's is reducing their work force and reducing the hours worked by some employees so that the company can stay profitable and stay viable. As in the example of Hostess, the alternative would be greatly reduced profits or even bankruptcy. So the left is going to boycott them because management is trying to stay in business. Guys you can't have it both ways....
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#311133 - 11/17/12 01:27 PM
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We certainly can. We have the Federal Reserve and its magical, permanently lubricated printing presses. Let everyone go bankrupt....doesn't matter....we just print more money and hand it out on street corners in plastic garbage bags. Unemployment...no problem....just put the entire nation on unemployment insurance and print more money to cover it. We're America, baby....as Prick Cheney once said....."deficits don't matter." 
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#311135 - 11/17/12 01:52 PM
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We certainly can. We have the Federal Reserve and its magical, permanently lubricated printing presses. Let everyone go bankrupt....doesn't matter....we just print more money and hand it out on street corners in plastic garbage bags. Unemployment...no problem....just put the entire nation on unemployment insurance and print more money to cover it. We're America, baby....as Prick Cheney once said....."deficits don't matter." I know whereof you speak.....I can remember a picture my grandfather had (wish I knew where it is). The picture was taken at our kitchen table in 1942. He had emptied his briefcase on the table. It was filled with currency, his pay for the week. In 1947 or 1948 they exchanged the inflated Reichsmark for the new Deutsche Mark at the rate of 10 RM to 1 DM. If you had more than 5000RM to exchange they gave you a worse exchange rate.....50% less or something like that. The sad part was, most everyone had money, but there was nothing to buy with it. Grocery items were rationed and things like coffee, tea or anything imported was impossible to get. I still have a ration card from the year 1945. It called for a daily calorie intake of 760 calories. Butter was rationed at 20grams (.7oz) per day. Meat (if you could find it) 600 (1 1/5 lbs) grams a month. You could get 125grams (1/4 lbs) of coffee, but it was mostly chicory............ah, those were the days, lol......
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#311137 - 11/17/12 04:13 PM
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Papa John's owner is just venting against workers because Mitt lost.
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#311138 - 11/17/12 04:22 PM
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Papa John's owner is just venting against workers because Mitt lost. No, he's making up for the extra taxes he is going to have to pay........
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