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#311012 - 11/15/12 09:02 PM Mr President
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Let Texas seccede ..... and anyother of the Repub states that get more money from the Feds than they put in taxes


Edited by Jose (11/15/12 09:03 PM)
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#311015 - 11/15/12 09:18 PM Re: Mr President [Re: Jose]
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#311023 - 11/15/12 11:31 PM Re: Mr President [Re: Jose]
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So White of you to suggest they live on their own merits. clap
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#311028 - 11/16/12 04:40 AM Re: Mr President [Re: Jose]
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Originally Posted By: Jose
Let Texas seccede ..... and anyother of the Repub states that get more money from the Feds than they put in taxes


I saw a letter to the editor on this subject yesterday. Haven't fact checked the whole thing, but quite interesting:

The Country of Texas ~ especially for my Texas buddies

Please note that Texas is the only state with a legal right to secede from the Union . (Reference the Texas-American Annexation Treaty of 1848.)

We Texans love y'all, but we'll probably have to take action if Barack Obama wins the election in November. We'll miss you too.

Here is what can happen: Barack Hussein Obama is President of the United States, and Texas secedes from the Union in summer of 2013.

So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic?

1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas. We will control the space industry.

2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States .

3. Defense Industry--we have over 65% of it. The term "Don't mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.

4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. What will the other states do? Gee, we don't know. Why not ask Obama?

5. Natural Gas - again we have all we need, and it's too bad about those Northern States. John Kerry and Al Gore will have to figure out a way to keep them warm....

6. Computer Industry - we lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications equipment, small companies like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor,Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Microconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Nortel, Alcatel, etc, etc. The list goes on and on.

7. Medical Care - We have the research centers for cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world, as well as other large health centers. The Houston Medical Center alone employees over 65,000 people.

8. We have enough colleges to keep us getting smarter: University of Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Texas Christian, Rice, SMU, University of Dallas, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, (University of NorthTexas), Texas Women's University, etc. Ivy grows better in the South anyway.

9. We have an intelligent and energetic work force, and it isn't restricted by a bunch of unions. Here in Texas , it's a Right to Work State and, therefore, it's every man and women for themselves. We just go out and get the job done. And if we don't like the way one company operates, we get a job somewhere else.

10. We have essential control of the paper, plastics, and insurance industries, etc.

11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard, the Texas Air National Guard, and several military bases. We don't have an Army, but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an Army in 24 hours if we need one. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call the Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over the Texas Rangers.

12. We are totally self-sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs, and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables, and let's not forget seafood from the Gulf. Also, every one down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. Don't need any food.

13. Three of the ten largest cities in the United States , and twenty- three of the 100 largest cities in the United States, are located in Texas. And Texas also has more land than California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Maryland, Rhode Island and Vermont combined.

14. Trade: Three of the ten largest ports in the United States are located in Texas.

15. We also manufacture cars down here, but we don't need to. You see, nothing rusts in Texas, so our vehicles stay beautiful and run well for decades.

This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have.

Now to the rest of the United States under President Obama: Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only President Obama will be able to drive around in his big 5 mpg SUV.The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes.

You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes, but since Mr. Obama has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas as long as you survive the 2000 years it will take to get enough heat from Global Warming.

Signed,
The People of Texas.

P.S. This is not a threatening letter - just a note to give you something to think about!

SLEEP WELL TONIGHT - THE EYES OF TEXAS ARE UPON YOU!!
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#311034 - 11/16/12 05:54 AM Re: Mr President [Re: CaseyC]
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nice litany but all those government entities will not just be handed over to texas. plus, texas will have to buy back any federal infrastructure. the transition period alone will drive many out of texas. not to mention that texas will now have to impose a state income tax or raise the sales tax precipitously.
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#311035 - 11/16/12 06:05 AM Re: Mr President [Re: ellen fl]
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Not so at all ellen, the US and its people would forfeit. That's part of the agreement when Texas joined the Union. Few people, even staunch Tea Party, have a problem with State and local taxes, they have a problem with nincompoops in DC.
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#311036 - 11/16/12 06:13 AM Re: Mr President [Re: Ed M]
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when this issue came up during the repub primaries, i recall that the answer was that texas secession rights were voided.

anyway, let them take all that stuff. gets us faster to renewable energy.

never happen as long as governor goodhair is governor, ya know.


Edited by ellen fl (11/16/12 06:33 AM)
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#311037 - 11/16/12 06:14 AM Re: Mr President [Re: ellen fl]
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Originally Posted By: ellen fl
when this issue came up during the repub primaries, i recall that the answer was that texas secession rights were voided.


By who???
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#311044 - 11/16/12 08:31 AM Re: Mr President [Re: CaseyC]
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Texas' so-called "right" to secede is no more than a politically emboldening myth, the boastful residue of the decade it spent as a sovereign nation before joining America. There's simply nothing in the state's official annexation papers, or in any other contemporaneous documents for that matter, to suggest otherwise. Nevertheless, over the last century and half this myth has proven harder to kill than a mound of East Texas fire ants. As recently as 2009, the pollster Rasmussen Reports noted that nearly one-third of Texans believed their state could unilaterally split off from the U.S. if it chose to do so.


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As if their current governor and his predecessor have not done enough damage to Texans' reputation for Constitutional acuity, nearly 1 in 3 Texas voters think that their state has the legal right to secede from the Union, according to a new Rasmussen Poll.

Umm, no.

On the bright side (such as it is), only 1 in 5 Texas voters would actually like to break off from the Union. Fully three quarters of Texas voters are content to remain part of these United States. Gee, thanks.

This discussion was sparked by Texas Gov. Rick Perry's assertion that Texas has the unique right to secede from the U.S. of A. (Side question: Why the quiescence of the hyper-patriotic right? Why are they not demanding that Perry love this country or leave it—and reminding him he can't take his state with him?)

It is of course an old urban legend that since Texas entered the Union as a sovereign Republic, it has reserved the right to reclaim its old status. Horse-hockey.

Two points to consider. First, there's this brief history of the Lone Star State's 1845 entry into the Union, emphasis added:

When all attempts to arrive at a formal annexation treaty failed, the United States Congress passed—after much debate and only a simple majority—a Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States. Under these terms, Texas would keep both its public lands and its public debt, it would have the power to divide into four additional states "of convenient size" in the future if it so desired, and it would deliver all military, postal, and customs facilities and authority to the United States government. (Neither this joint resolution or the ordinance passed by the Republic of Texas ' Annexation Convention gave Texas the right to secede.)

That paragraph comes from what I can only assume to be an authoritative source on the matter: the Texas State Library and Archives Commission. (Tip of my cowboy hat to an old college pal—from Texas—who posted the link on Facebook.)

Second point: We fought a war over this. Lots of Americans died. The secessionists lost—including the ones in Texas. Secession is no more legal now than it was then.

And while talking about secession undoubtedly plays well among the 3 in 10 Texas voters ill-informed enough to think it's a serious political statement, it also makes the rest of the country (and likely the rest of the state) roll our eyes in bewilderment at the Lone Star Clown.


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Fact or fiction? As a condition of its admission to the Union, Texas was given the unilateral power to return to its former Lone Star Republic status if it so chose.

FICTION.

Gov. Rick Perry is responsible for spreading this widely held misconception. Three years ago, he declared, “When we came into the Union in 1845, one of the issues was that we’d be able to leave if we decided to do that.”

That’s just plain not true.

Texas has no right to secede. But the bottom line is that any state — or confederation of states — can illegally secede from the Union. But the result, as we discovered in 1861, is Civil War.


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On February 17, 2009, House Concurrent Resolution 50 was introduced and on May 30, 2009, the resolution passed in the Texas House of Representatives with amendments.[9][10] The resolution reads in part:[11]

RESOLVED, That the 81st Legislature of the State of Texas hereby claim sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States; and, be it further

RESOLVED, That this serve as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers; and, be it further

RESOLVED, That all compulsory federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed.

On April 9, 2009, Governor Perry affirmed his support for the resolution.[12] Cal Jillson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University, said "We haven't heard as much talk about Texas sovereignty and states' rights in the last 30 years as we have in the last week."[13]

However, the Texas resolution is not binding on the Federal government. Among other things, the U.S. Supreme Court case Texas v White established this principle, and remains the last legal word in the debate.


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#311046 - 11/16/12 08:50 AM Re: Mr President [Re: ellen fl]
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#311050 - 11/16/12 09:06 AM Re: Mr President [Re: jojo in minnesota]
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I thought Klaus was planning on seceeding unilaterally and forming his own National Socialist party.
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#311051 - 11/16/12 09:29 AM Re: Mr President [Re: Jose]
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Great research, ellen, I crown you the "queen of google", BUT as Bill CLinton would say: Close but no cigar.........

I think the people that are stirring the pot right now are not talking about "seceding" per se, but rather advocating to let the US Government kick Texas out of the Union.

The State's 1845 Annexation Agreement with the US government it stipulates that "New States, of convenient size, not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas, and having sufficient population, may hereafter, by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the federal constitution."

To quote from an article:

Put plainly, Texas agreed to join the union in 1845 on the condition that it be allowed to split itself into as many as five separate states whenever it wanted to, and contingent only on the approval of its own state legislature. For more than 150 years, this right to divide -- unilaterally, which is to say without the approval of the U.S. Congress -- has been packed away in the state's legislative attic, like a forgotten family heirloom.

Could Texas secessionists use the division clause in pursuit of their separatist goals? It would certainly be worth a shot. Naturally, it took the Machiavellian political mind of Texan Tom DeLay to put the pieces of a tenable scheme together. The day after Perry blew his secessionist dog whistle to that reporter back in 2009, DeLay went on MSNBC's "Hardball" to cheerfully defend his governor's remarks. When host Chris Matthews insisted (correctly) that unilateral secession was illegal and couldn't take place, DeLay stopped his maniacal grinning for a moment and cited the division clause.

DeLay intimated that the threat of sending eight newly minted, and almost certainly Republican, senators to Washington might be the key to getting this whole secession ball rolling.

Referring to the language of the joint resolution, he said, "If we invoke it, the United States Senate would kick us out ... because they're not going to allow 10 [sic] new Texas senators into the Senate. That's how you secede."
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#311052 - 11/16/12 09:39 AM Re: Mr President [Re: CaseyC]
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dream on, klaus. republicans would be relegated to the minority if that happened. you guys are almost purple enough now to swing the state *gasp* socialist. devilgrin

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Dear Red States:

We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we've decided we're leaving.
We in California intend to form our own country and we're taking all the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, Iowa, New York and the rest of the Northeast.

We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of our new country, The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).

To sum up briefly:

You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.

We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin and "Legitimate rape."

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.

We get Apple, Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom and Halliburton..

We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama and the Dallas Cowboys..

We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the fresh vegetables, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines, 90% of all cheese, 90% of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh and Bob Jones University.

We also get Hollywood, Yosemite and the Pacific Ocean, thank you.

Oh, and we're taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.

Sincerely,

Citizens of the Enlightened States of America


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#311053 - 11/16/12 10:50 AM Re: Mr President [Re: ellen fl]
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Texas has as much chance of seceeding from "the union" as seeing Klaus run around with old "Elect FDR" buttons glued to his forehead.......... sleeping
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#311059 - 11/16/12 01:33 PM Re: Mr President [Re: ellen fl]
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Well, if that's all it takes, then everyone will be happy. btw, why is everyone insinuating that I am in favor of this???Where did I say that I was????
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#311089 - 11/16/12 08:42 PM Re: Mr President [Re: CaseyC]
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Remember, Casey, ellen and these others excell at ASSuming a lot of things.


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We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand


When was this written? Opryland closed-down fifteen years ago.

By the way, ellen, don't pay any attention to the news that most of the blue states are bankrupt.
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#311100 - 11/16/12 10:52 PM Re: Mr President [Re: Ed M]
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Opryland is up and going poke
yeah you don't git those decrepit kool rides but golly gee it looks just fine for me and the Senora
, (that's Mrs. for you minorities wink ).
Besides our alimentary canals aren't what they used to be anyway whew

wink Don't mind the recycled sh*t, it's all part of our suthern charm
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