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(Ah, so Palin loved 'socialist' Canadian health care when her own family got it, but not for our families. According to the Washington Post today:)

Palin says her family went to Canada for health care when she was young

Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, a fierce opponent of Democratic health-care reform efforts who has said America under President Obama is headed toward socialism, told a Canadian audience in her family used to go to Canada to get medical care when she was growing up.

"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," Palin said a speech Saturday night, according to a report in Medicine Hat News of Medicine Hat, Alberta. "And I think now, isn't that ironic."

Palin spoke before a paying audience of 1,200 in Calgary, with tickets costing between $150 and $200, the paper reported.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/palin-says-she-used-canadian-h.html

Add this bit of opinion by David Waldman at DKos:

Sarah "Death Panels" Palin. Sarah "Socialism" Palin.

Sarah Palin's freeloading family used to border-hop for Canadian socialist, single payer, death panel health care for themselves, only to return to the U.S., where she grew up to dedicate herself to denying affordable care to you, largely by hoping you'll believe that the Canadian health care she crossed the border to get sucks so badly, it'll kill you.

Oh, not to mention the favorite Republican claim that passing health care reform in this country will supposedly rip off taxpayers by making health care available to border-hoppers!

Seems a bit irrelevant to post this when 30+ years ago Sarah didn't have any control over where her family went for care.

Just think of what would happen if we applied this type of 'logic' to Obama. What did his parents do when he was young that may be against some of today's arguing points?


Bob

What does this have to do with Obama? You always have to pitch Obama into any discussion, just like G has to say something nasty about the Republicans, no matter what the topic for discussion is.

Bob, maybe you don't see the hypocrisy, but how can someone who benefited from a particular program have the absolute nerve to criticize and deny it to others now. She benefitted from it and nowhere says she protested getting that care or wasn't happy with it. Why shouldn't American children (assuming she wasn't an adult going to Canada as well) have the same benefit as Ms. Palin did? If it hadn't been for socialist medicine, she may even have died as a child and we would never have even heard of her.

As an afterthought, do you have problems with Americans buying prescription drugs from Canada and other countries?

Welll......if you want American children to have the same benfit as Ms. Palin did, let the parents take them to Canada.......
I am sure that a great percentage of US residents that live near the Canadian border take that trip. Just like the folks along our southern border do the same thing for medication and dental care in Mexico.

If you look in the dictionary under "healthcare" you'll find a pic of the annointed one.

Healthcare = Jesus?

He was certainly against the status quo, greed, etc and was all for helping the downtrodden but heathcare was not even an option for the Middle East peasantry.

hm-m-m-m let's see . . . maybe it's relevant because SHE brought it up?

ellen

Messiah is my pet name for the annointed one.......Obama.

Oh, aren't you just a bundle of rational thought today, Klaus.
Any way you look at it, your hillbilly heroine is a freeloader and a hypocrite.

CJ,

I just feel you can't hold things against people when they received those things outside of their control, especially when they were children. And Obama parents and their tendancies in his early life was such a 'classic' example. We could consider him a hypocrite based upon your analysis.

As far as me always 'pitching' or thowing Obama into any discussion, you've got to be kidding. I really don't 'think' I do this very often at all???


Bob

as i said, bob, your anointed one (hillbilly heroine? i love it.) brought it up. her parents taking her to use the socialized medicine of canada may not have been up to her but she should not now be bragging about having utilized that system if it's so bad and she's so against it.

she seems to have a shifting ideology that is dependent upon to whom she is talking.

ellen

I suppose "they" used some sort of special oil? Perhaps with a special fragrance? Please tell us more!

Has she said she is against the Canadian system???I don't think so....all she has voiced opposition to, is this pig in a poke (with or without lipstick) that this administration is attempting to force on everyone.

Sarah Palin, Nov. 25, 2009 Source



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ellen

This might help you understand why most people don't like the Canadian system. Had a problem putting the link in for the actual page, but if you click on "here", and then on the "Provincial Median Wait Times", you'll get the point.

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CJ,

Damn right I do, but I'm 'guessing' you feel differently.
Bob

bob, what is your issue with other people buying american made drugs from another country if they can get them cheaper?

ellen

I don't see why the govt should be involved with where I want to buy my prescription drugs from. After all, we get everything else from other countries. To get American-made drugs from Canada cheaper than I can buy here where they were manufactured is just smart shopping. And many of the drugs we get here in the States are manufactured in other countries to begin with.

Bob, I don't personally care where you buy your cars from, your onions from, your socks, your TV from, and I don't care where you buy your prescription drugs from, and it is none of yours nor the govt's business where I buy mine from. I don't need you nor the govt to 'protect' me.

The government doesn't care where you buy your drugs. Just spend an afternoon at the bridge connecting Progreso, TX to Nuevo Progeso in Mexico. Senior citizens from all over South Texas go into NP to get dental work done or purchase prescription drugs. On the return the immigration/customs official asks what the purpose of the visit was. The answer is usually truthfull (prescriptions or dental work). Sometimes the official asks to look into any shopping bags that are carried, but that's about the extent of it.

That's my understanding, Klaus. Now why can't the rest of us here in the US who don't live in border states order our drugs online from these same sources or from Europe or New Zealand?

Personally, I don't use any prescription medicine and never have except for occasional antibiotics, so it doesn't impact me at this point in time. But I will stand up for the rights of other Americans to buy their drugs out of the country.

ellen,

I should have given more detail.

If the drug is not available in the US, then yes by all means go to another country to get it. But if it is available here...

I feel it is up to us as citizens of America to do everythng we can to try and get some jobs/manufacturing base back. If that means taking a hit on prices occassionally, well then maybe we should take that hit. It's been my experience that supply/demand (with no outside influences) will protect the consumer as far as paying too much. IMO, I don't think the government (Dems, Reps & Indies) is doing enough to generate more jobs in the USA. So as my little part (aside from who I vote for) I plan on trying to support American made/purchased goods. I know it is probably futile in many areas, but at least I'm trying.

Bob

You can, no problem. Even with Tricare, some meds are pretty expensive. If I don't have time to go to Mexico, I order here:

www.getcanadiandrugs.com

....very reliable place.

what makes you think our drugs are manufactured here?

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ellen

Thanks for the recommend, Klaus. I could never tell which were legit and which were scams.

Fortunately, my Jim's meds are covered by the V.A. for $60 per month. Otherwise, they would cost in the range of $1400 per month. At one time, I priced them out at $500 from Canada.

Now Bob, if you want to be patriotic and take the hit for the extra $900 per month ($10,800 per year) to keep the American drug companies rich, by all means do so. That's fine with me. But don't tell other people to take the hit if YOU aren't going to pay the difference for them. Don't be patriotic with OTHER people's money. When the day comes that this is your situation, let's see which way you go; spend the extra $10,800 per year to buy all-American?

In the meantime, we, the people, should be free to make our own decisions. Telling other people what to buy, how much to spend, and how to run their lives is downright unAmerican - especially when our own govt does it.

Obviously, our Bobby doesn't know any transplant patients. Or HIV patients, either.

IF they are produced here, there have been major scams going on in the research community, docs are doing less than perfect research and you have fools in the FDA who have conflicts of interest with drug companies. The most recent the toadie on the FDA who is involved with getting Seroquel (Astro Zeneca) approved for other things besides schizophrenia. And NOW our vets, who are prescribed this med, as are many felons I work with, get it if their anti-depressants aren't working good enough. And these people are dying, and they are looking at Seroquel.

They don't follow through with post marketing research, docs don't report adverse events and neither do pharmacists, because they just don't have the time.

They are using that medication for vets returning with PTSD.
http://www.alternet.org/world/145892/are...tsd?page=entire